OK, one thing I'm sure of by now: my internet connection craps out when the connection is *idle*. Always from Tine, both i Groningen and Amsterdam 9that 3 different routers), and both for line connection and wifi - the behavior is always the same. I've now been streaming an internet radio station for over 2 days and it's been solid... That's a decent workaround but of course no solution - and besides, it takes up bandwidth which is noticeable when loading heavy web pages. :( I'm ducking but so far have not found any description even of this, let alone a fix. Maybe I should ditch NetworkManager and try wicd? # # # !linux #