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Check the "Liquid and Elastic" layout concepts at http://htmldog.com/articles/elasticdesign/ Liquid and Elastic web pages don't need special CSS specifically for mobile devices; text re-flows and images re-scale automatically for any size display.
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@bobjonkman the site looks completely broken in Konqueror ☹ - browser-compatibility should be the first goal.
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Konqueror doesn't perform too well on Acidtest3 either: http://acid3.acidtests.org/ I agree, browser compatibility (to standards) should be the first goal. Web sites can't be expected to provide exception coding for every quirk on every browser out there.
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@bobjonkman I see it the other way round: The standard a designer should adhere to is what browsers support.
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@bobjonkman When I write websites myself, I nowadays mostly stick to HTML4 and CSS2 with only some CSS3 features. That *works*.
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@drak Browsers should conform to standards; the only reason they don’t is that corporations want their browser to own the Internet.
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@laurelrusswurm: There are many good reasons for browsers not to conform to standards. One reason can be, that the standard moves to fast. Another can be that it includes requirements which go contrary to the mission of the browser - for example including a full Javascript VM. Keep in mind that #lynx, #w3m and #dillo are browsers, too.
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@drak I will buy the first, but not the second. It’s more reasonable for a specialty browser developer to start from the standard…
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@drak ... than to expect all the developers in the world to accommodate the specialists divergence
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@laurelrusswurm I actually think that the second point mostly arises, because of a standard which moves too fast and than gets falsely labelled as standard - can something be called standard which is only implemented by 3 systems worldwide? (Webkit, Gecko and IE)
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@laurelrusswurm I actually think that the second point mostly arises, because of a standard which moves too fast and then gets falsely labelled as standard - can something be called standard which is only implemented by 3 systems worldwide? (Webkit, Gecko and IE)
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@drak Having written a few web pages and tried to make sure they work across the board, I think deliberate obstruction is bad.
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@drak Isn’t the point of the Internet inter-connectivity? Those not wanting to connect, wanting to lock stuff up should use intranets.
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@drak This is only my non-technical opinion; I only understand this in broad strokes and from personal experience.
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@laurelrusswurm: I also built my share of websites and struggled with browser-compatibility.
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@laurelrusswurm Due to that experience, I revised my view of the standards: I now try to realize sites with only HTML4+CSS2, and anything which needs more current standards should be optional (so the site degrades gracefully).
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@laurelrusswurm The essential test for a website I build is “does it work well with a text-browser”. If yes, then the information-structure is OK.
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@drak The powerful ignore the standards so they can keep walling people in their proprietary gardens.
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@drak What actually got me ranting was looking at a website’s code and seeing all the hoops the web design had to jump through for IE
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@drak A lot of what I put out there is visual, so how it displays is important to me. Oh well. All we can do is our best.
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@laurelrusswurm until they manage to dominate the standards commitee, so they can warp the standard to keep everyone else out…
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@drak Like when they made w3c endorse DRM :(
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@laurusswurm yes, DRM in the w3c “standard” is for me the last straw to invalidate the standard (another was making <video> mainly a Javascript API…).
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@drak Agreed. Having looked forward to HTML5’s promised return to an open video standard, I am not pleased with the #W3C sellout
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