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“Urgent action is needed for…” ← FUCK IT, why do we have a GOVERNMENT again? Dear delegates, please act in the interest of your voters!
Monday, 03-Feb-14 20:02:13 UTC von Choqok- mlinksva, windigo und cmhobbs gefällt das.
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They are: one dollar, one vote.
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@drak true, I'm also growing tired of signing petitions every single day, what's the point if they're gonna come up with another crap? :-/
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@drak it's a non stop whack-a-mole, it seems their plan is to get us bored & tired of fighting, then they'll drop the real bombs :-/
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@cyberkiller A petition is the prequel to resignation. A demonstration holds the menace of rebellion. They only listen when we walk.
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@zoowar that’s where corruption leads us. Media-control and bought decisions. But it is luckily not yet the full reality (again).
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It's easy to subvert the system when the unthinking majority are easily distracted by shiny objects.
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@zoowar and I’m careful with thinking bad of the majority. I also got led astray by Gauck - the current neoliberal preacher president of !de
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Sure. The unthinking majority is a group of people who influence the outcome of an issue without reasonable consideration of the issue. The scope need not be the entire population.
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I think that “unthinking” majority is not as unthinking as it appears. It’s pretty hard nowadays to untangle the web of lies we’re being fed
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Yes, but I don't think people are trying any harder than they were years ago. There is simply too much information for non-experts to consume in understanding any given issue.
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I agree, yes. We would need better media, so we don’t have to piece together everything ourselves. Media we can trust…
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@drak on DE's recent federal elections right after the PRISM scandal Pirates still only got 3%. Looks like unthinking voters to me.
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@mcscx but the left and the greens together got about 16%, and both had also spoken against surveillance.
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@drak but that's AFAIR not a notable percentage increase compared to the previous federal elections
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@mcscx I think for the left it is (but I’m not sure there). The greens lost after being target of a concentrated smear-campaign.
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@mcscx: no, I just checked. Only those won who want to censor the net: http://www.wahlrecht.de/ergebnisse/bundestag.htm
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@drak Am I reading it wrong? Looks like you doubled your pirates.
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the pirates went from 2.0 to 2.2 (in german, the comma is used to separate the below-0 numerals → 2,2(de) == 2.2(us))
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@drak that's part of the problem: voters are more interested in smear campaigns of boulevard newspapers etc. rather than the big matters
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@drak e.g., from naive trust in technology & technical fixes, incapability to deal w/ complexity, control fetishization, laziness, etc.
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@drak need more? cf. http://is.gd/xy0zBn http://is.gd/PsfHMu http://is.gd/AX7At9 ;)
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@simsa or from media which influences you - the only way to avoid that is to not consume it - and not to have friends who do…
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@simsa0 your articles do not strike home with me. If technology where such a force, we would all be using Gnutella to get media.
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@simsa0 Technology nowadays is managed. It influences the flow of power, but at the same time, the flow of power controls tech.
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@drak No technolgy can be managed, due to the complexities it creates & problems of adminstrattive oversight that are involved.
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@drak What you're saying betrays the same kind of blind trust in technology we've seen till the 60s. It became fashionable again under Kohl.
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@drak The most I see that technolgy can be said to be controllable is that it's ppl that can be pressured to comply to ensure it's running.
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Evolution. We either trust the community when they tell us not to eat that mushroom, or we don't. Most of the time we die when we don't trust them and eat the mushroom. Occasionally, we prove them wrong. Today we have science to turn to, but this …
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@simsa0 Gnutellas place was then taken by BitTorrent, Streaming sites and Filehosters — all of them far easier to control.
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@simsa0 Gnutella (and other p2p search networks) provided a whole new experience of media: Everything was at your fingertips.
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@simsa0 it was the biggest public library, and it got burned down: http://draketo.de/light/english/generation-cultural-freedom
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Sure, but today we trust the few folks who control the media instead of trusting the community → evolution turned upside down
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@drak Whether it was "the biggest public library" I can't say. But you seem to bemoan the loss of an infrastructure, not a technology.
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@drak In fact, the tech seems to be the same, only the way it comes to have impact changed. That some tech is pushed instead of others I >
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@drak > didn't deny,; neither that there is greed or powerplay.I's these features that align ppl w/ the centralising character of tech.
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@drak > didn't deny; nor that there is greed or powerplay. It's such features of ppl that aligns them w/ the centralizing tendency of tech.
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the tech is different: Gnutella needs no centralized components: It was tech which united decentralization with convenience.
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@drak 1. infrastructure is a result of application of tec in accordance w/goals,planning,laws. So obviously, it is not "jut adopted tech". >
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@drak 2. e.g., nuclear weapons are relevant (even in daily politics) if even no-one actually uses them. The possibilty of usage suffices.
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@drak This individual case may be poster child of a minority.But it's features are common in other software as well. Open or closed, no diff
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@simsa0 “poster child of a minority” — that’s quite a way to call tech which was used by millions.
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@simsa0 “application of tech in accordance with …” ← that sounds pretty much like “adoption” to me. Maybe we use words differently.
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@drak Yes,I'd call 2,2-3 million users a minority.But that's not the issue.Individual products use tech features likewise embedded in others
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@drak Just have a look into this explication of "infrastructure" that doesn't rely on tech in explanans : http://is.gd/Q6E0n2
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@simsa0 you are much more deeply invested into this discussion than me. I just gave you examples from my experience which seem to not fit…
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@simsa0 in those examples, politics drove technology. The tech pushed for decentralization. How to explain that in your model is up to you
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@drak As far as I recall you only gave 1 example, gnutella. You may be right to infer from here about "network tech" as "new" species, >
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@drak > even that network tech will gain bigger share in tech, production, dissemination, consumption (as a whole). But even than will >
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@drak > it support my contention that complexity makes tech unmanageable. Whether to embrace or bemoan that is a different matter.
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