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1. drak

   Really good analysis of #systemd and #debian: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00461.html

   Monday, 17-Feb-14 20:10:21 UTC from web
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   • inscius

     @drak very interesting. It doesn't feel comfortable :/

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 20:30:44 UTC
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   • mcnalu inscius

     @inscius @drak I'm very wary of #systemd and that message explains the concern clearly.

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 20:36:18 UTC
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   • ghostdancer

     ♺ @drak: Really good analysis of #systemd and #debian: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00461.html

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 20:46:29 UTC
   • ghostdancer inscius , mcnalu

     @inscius @drak @mcnalu the main concern that i have read now is that forgets the KISS principle, and that usually means problems, lot of.

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 20:47:33 UTC
   • inscius ghostdancer

     @ghostdancer One thing I do not understand. Do they have to change? But I know really nothing :)

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 21:00:13 UTC
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   • ghostdancer inscius

     @inscius from what i've read it's considered that init was a little bit rusty and something more modern was needed.

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 21:02:43 UTC
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   • inscius ghostdancer

     @ghostdancer init is a bit duffery, innit? :-)

     Monday, 17-Feb-14 21:34:02 UTC
   • drak inscius

     sysVinit has some problems - like not knowing whether a service actually started and complex init-scripts. #systemd “solves” this by killing scripts alltogether and moving all the complexity in one huge, strongly coupled code (with multiple binaries ← systemd devs will say this)

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 06:32:33 UTC
   • drak inscius , ghostdancer , mcnalu

     @ghostdancer @inscius @drak @mcnalu my main concern are the strong coupling of #systemd and the loss of scripting: The strong coupling will be a maintenance nightmare and without scripting you cannot implement complex service-relationships which they do not provide for you.

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 06:41:04 UTC
   • drak inscius , ghostdancer , mcnalu

     @ghostdancer @inscius @mcnalu on the claims of “conspiracy theory”: The gains for RedHat are obvious, and only a fool trusts a company.

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 06:48:59 UTC
   • drak inscius , ghostdancer , mcnalu

     as background (from experience): http://draketo.de/english/comments/light/never-trust-a-company ← RedHat is not evil but rational /cc @ghostdancer @inscius @mcnalu

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 06:53:40 UTC
   • drak inscius , ghostdancer

     @ghostdancer @inscius @mcnalu And for a stratigic view on #systemd in #debian: http://draketo.de/light/english/top-5-systemd-troubles

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 10:34:23 UTC
   • inscius

     Thanks for posting. I do not pretend to understand all, but is systemd halfway to a sort of mini-ecosystem?

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 16:43:31 UTC
   • drak inscius

     It rather looks like it incorporates anything it touches (instead of interacting with clean, stable APIs)

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 17:38:52 UTC
   • inscius

     @drak will distros in practice become more similar?

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 17:43:55 UTC
   • drak Gentoo Linux™ , inscius

     I don’t know - I cannot predict the future. Maybe distros will change - or start more init systems. !Gentoo uses OpenRC, for ex

     Tuesday, 18-Feb-14 18:41:09 UTC