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Nations are mechanisms to install the Stockholm syndrome in the people they rule over. We'd fight for, and…
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Democracy is a way to reduce this effect - but it is always in danger of being corrupted by those with power or money.
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@drak Democracy might help improve things if we did actually live in one. Voting once every four years is called a democracy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is.
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@simsa0: I disagree. If you get together with 4 friends and you disagree on the restaurant, you can vote. That’s already democracy
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@simsa0: And there *are* practical constraints: If you have 10 liters of water and 10 people, you can’t give everyone 2 liters.
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@drak My reply was more about how voting & democratic process make ppl acquiesce in a shared sense of reality, i.e., practical constraints.
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@simsa0: In the example I named, they are identical, if the vote is a majority vote: we do what gets the highest number of votes.
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@drak IF your system of democracy is based on the majority rule. But is the only rule possible, sensible or ever practised.
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@simsa0: It only becomes problematic if people invent practical constraints which do not actually exist.
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@drak IF your system of democracy is based on this numerical rule of the majority. Which isn't the only rule sensible or ever practised.
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@drak And the decision about that is in the hand of those with privileged access to reality?
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@simsa0: That’s a good clarification, yes. There are different implementations of democracy.
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Usually 'people' in this context would mean "the 0.1%." - and contraints such as "you're not allowed to grow this plant because dirty mexicans."
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@simsa0 I agree on the shared sense of reality: If you take a decision as group, you need that to some degree - if only to ensure that you all interpret the result similarly.
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@drak Yes. & all,I guess,bind participants into a communal body by "arguing" about what is the practical constraint at hand & how 2 solve it
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@drak In this sense I see democacy not as a tool (to reach decisions) but as a way to bind all participants into 1 shared view of what's up.
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@drak "Practical constraints" or "problems" are vehicles 2 achieve that.This shared sense is what I alluded 2 derisively as Stockholm syndr.
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@simsa0 It would only be Stockholm syndrome, if the practical constraints weren’t real *and* from an external force.
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@simsa0 they can be real, but from an internal force (which could be changed by a majority vote but is taken as fixed constraint).
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@simsa0 or they could be imagined to come from an external force. There could be external people claiming that the constraint exists (but most likely the source of imagined external constraints will be internal).
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