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1. drak

   “we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that point.” — Lennart Poettering http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html ← does anyone still wonder why people are pissed about #systemd? Luckily #Gentoo folks created #eudev.

   Thursday, 11-Dec-14 20:56:46 UTC from web
   • nawi

     "Unless the systemd-haters prepare another kdbus userspace until then this will effectively also mean that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call." Hmm, … I think,…

     Thursday, 11-Dec-14 21:18:37 UTC
   • drak nawi

     that’s what I think, too. depending on kdbus will allow systemd to lock the kernel into certain versions and even internal APIs.

     Thursday, 11-Dec-14 22:33:44 UTC
   • nawi

     As they wrote "We explicitly do not support really old kernels with really new systemd. So far we had the focus to support up to 2y old kernels (which means 3.4 right now), but even that should be taken with a grain of salt, as we already made cle…

     Thursday, 11-Dec-14 23:30:11 UTC
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   • pippo nawi

     @nawi @drak #Devuan is forking

     Thursday, 11-Dec-14 23:30:28 UTC
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   • nawi pippo

     Yep, see https://quitter.is/conversation/14067#notice-14067 I have nothing against #Debian but at the moment I am to lazy and switched from #Sabayon to #Trisquel … but #Trisquel will have the same systemd problem in the future - so I switch c…

     Thursday, 11-Dec-14 23:37:16 UTC
   • drak

     The fate of #udev (surviving only through Gentoo #eudev) shows that Debian needs forking now to avoid becoming dependant on #systemd.

     Friday, 12-Dec-14 08:18:46 UTC