https://sn.1w6.org/file/clacke-20170804T082714-5djhj4d.html

@dthompson @vertigo @usbhump @roko I think my question is mainly semantical: Is #devops having Ops people who understand dev and who can apply code as configuration and automate ruthlessly? Or is DevOps having the Dev people do the Ops?

I think it was the latter, and the hype (and the destructive form) is the latter, but the real productive outcome that has matured out of it is the former.

So to comment on my own post #2 in this convo:

> If that's your situation, aren't you really in ops, rather than devops?

What if that isn't a contradiction? You're in Ops, and you're doing DevOps.