@nds There is a lot of truth to the complaints. They aren’t just FUD, though I do agree that it is easier to just change distros than to try and persuade maintainers not to make everything dependent on #systemd. FWIW, I’d install a distro with systemd, but I will not upgrade an existing non-systemd install to systemd again. When it blows up (2 for 2 so far), too many tangled dependencies.