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1. drak

   “To use google groups, please activate #Javascript in your browser” … my w3m does not *have* Javascript! #google is #breakingtheweb

   Saturday, 04-Jan-14 13:50:32 UTC von web
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   • quix0r

     @drak Not just #Google I also saw many other pages that refuse to work without #JavaScript. :-(

     Saturday, 04-Jan-14 13:52:34 UTC
   • vanden

     @drak And, w3m, by not allowing you to access google groups, is fixing it :-)

     Saturday, 04-Jan-14 17:24:00 UTC
   • drak vanden

     @vanden w3m only shows me non-broken working web…

     Monday, 06-Jan-14 22:00:09 UTC
   • drak quix0r

     @quix0r on #twitter this evolved into a slightly longer (but one-sided) discussion: drak: @adaptivepattern For blind people: Just write clean HTML+CSS pages. Blind people can use those easily. drak: @adaptivepattern: It is 2014: Good webdesign with strong basics: If you require Javascript to read email archives, you do it wrong drak: adaptivepattern: @ArneBab ~ #UX and #JavaScript are not mutually exclusive. A false choice? For #RIA and #SPA, #JS is UX... drak: @adaptivepattern #Javascript makes for horrible #UX, except if you want to constrain your users to have exactly one UX. drak: @adaptivepattern And if you’re going to push #json streams for API-users, why not write clean HTML in the first place? drak: @adaptivepattern The best pages for information I know are simple, static HTML+CSS sites. Also see http://xkcd.com/1309/ drak: @adaptivepattern or click somewhere next to the timeline in #twitter to hide the autocomplete and see your tweet content disappear #grr drak: @adaptivepattern or watch http://xkcd.com/1264/ . Or try to use #itsalltext with G+. #JS = #incompatible, #incoherent #UX drak: @adaptivepattern #damn, now I have to archive all these tweets by hand, because I did not use a client to escape the twitter-ux constraints. drak: @adaptivepattern I see only 2 good reasons for requiring #Javascript: (1/2): Updating small portions of the site without disturbing the user drak: @adaptivepattern and (2/2) deploying cross-platform apps to people who do not control their computers. (1/2) can still keep #JS optional. drak: @adaptivepattern And I know very few examples of full apps in #Javascript which actually yield advantages for the users.

     Tuesday, 07-Jan-14 05:36:07 UTC
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   • quix0r

     @drak I have heard that it is important for those readers to have valid #XHTML/#CSS because of they then cannot parse it. In addition to that, valid XHTML can be directly rendered by your browser, invalid XHTML causes a #quirks-mode become active which causes additional CPU and rendering time. This results in a short white page and higher CPU load which means on mobile devices higher battery drain.

     Tuesday, 07-Jan-14 06:52:56 UTC
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   • drak quix0r

     @quix0r jepp. But that Quirks-mode could also just be an #SGML mode (which is more complex, but the real predecessor of #HTML - #XHTML is a reimplementation of HTML on top of XML)

     Tuesday, 07-Jan-14 06:57:10 UTC
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   • drak quix0r

     @quix0r (though browsers really have a compatibility mode - without that all too many websites fail ☹)

     Tuesday, 07-Jan-14 07:03:49 UTC
   • quix0r

     @drak Jupp, XHTML is basicly an #XML that every XML #parser can read, not just a web browser, e.g. #SimpleXML: https://status.mxchange.org/url/15215 #Wikipedia

     Tuesday, 07-Jan-14 07:20:41 UTC
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